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14. March 2007, 14:37:37

Lazaris
Posts: 6

Help with electronics - Dave Lawton's Pulse PCB HI, All ! I am Brazilian, and very interested in energy alternatives for personal use. I need some advice with the oscillator circuit shown here in Lawton's schematics

my knowledge about electronics is lesser than basic, and it would not be possible (or easier) to me to use an universal board to arrange the components like that showed in this file ... hopefully there are softwares that can do most of the service to us... so, transferring the Lawton's diagram, i could get the following schematics :

PCB Schematics.jpg that once converted to electronics components properly arranged in a circuit board, i got the following (double faced) PCB project :

PCB 1 The solder side artwork is displayed here :

PCB 2

and the component side artwork :

PCB 3 with the resulting unpopulated PCB (x-ray vision - tracks in both board sides) :

PCB 3 And the board, after the components assembled and soldered, ready to connect the switches, wires, fuse, knobs and etc would seem like this :

PCB 4 Finally, My question is : Will This Work ???

If yes, please, feel free to use this project as you wish. Thank's.

17. March 2007, 00:18:41

H2earth
H2earth Posts: 7

Hi! Welcome to the forum. That's a great post. I'm going to Private Message you with an invitation to join our realtime chat among WFC investigators. If you dont get my message, contact me.
David L. Wenbert Executive Director The H2earth Institute Washington, D.C. Skype: dave.wenbert Email: david.wenbert@gmail.com Blog: Video:

http://my.opera.com/h2earth http://www.youtube.com/h2earth

20. March 2007, 10:35:42 (edited)

mrblack235
Posts: 1

Dear Dave, I am trying to contact you. I tried to find you on Skype but the name dave.wenbert did not come up in the search. I am going to send you a message to your gmail. I am on skype at mrblack235 and gmail at mrblack235@gmail.com I will provide a special mobile number for conversations. I would really like to get in touch with Dave Lawton. I think it is very important to start lining up the commercial ducks before the patents expire. I can take this to major manufacturers in various industries. Money will not be a problem. I would also very much like to talk to Mr Lawton about other technologies which I believe he has developed, and which may have been blocked by certain big business interests. I know how to beat these people. I contacted Hydrogen Technologies yesterday, in an effort to find out more about who is who in this technology. I was not allowed to speak to the boss, Kenny Klein, because he does not speak to anyone unless he knows who they are in advance. A bit weird really, because they do have a website with full contact details, and they do seem to be offering elements of this technology for sale. I spoke to a person for a few minutes and asked him various questions. At first he was reluctant to talk to me because he said that I might be someone from a major oil company. He seemed to confirm that Mr Meyer was definitely murdered, by poisoning. He also told me that as far as he knew, Stan Meyer's technology died with him. I don't believe that he really thinks that, because if I have managed to find you, at H2earth, he would know about you to, and obviously there are a great number of people around the world involved in the process of developing and preparing the technology. I wonder how it is that Hydrogen Technologies is out there marketing this technology when Stan Meyer's patents are, today, still valid. Was Kenny Klein doing parallel work? did they hit on the gas separation solution at the same time? I have tried to call Steve Meyer several times and given a number for him to call, but had no reply. I understand the necessity to be extremely careful in knowing who you are talking to. I am protecting my own identity until I know who I am talking to, but I am trying to get to the right people, so that I can help take this forward. I am not a scientist,or even a technician. I am a lowly sales and marketing chap, but a good one, non the less. I have only very recently come across the Water Fuel Technology, and while it all seems to make sense, my natural instinct is to wish to verify the claims, independently. I am sure that you will all agree that this is quite right and reasonable. It goes without saying that if this technology really works, the world's power and industrial pollution difficulties can be resolved in the time it will take to develop and manufacture effective delivery systems for cars, aircraft, factories, shipping, domestic and commercial heating/power, the list is endless. I don't think that it would be at all difficult to persuade any major corporation to change from oil based power and heating systems, given the huge savings they would generate and the overwhelming case for the green benefits. But...what would this do to the supply of water? At the same time, a concerted world wide effort should be made to regenerate the forests which continue to be destroyed. If this technology is going to help turn around the global warming story, more trees, in the right places is going to help.

What would it mean for the oil and gas industry in general and the millions of people employed in those hydrocarbon corporations in particular? Russia, the Middle East and the economies of a whole raft of nations around the globe are based on their oil wealth. I guess that hydro carbons are used to make all sorts of things such as lubricants, plastics etc; so there is still a roll to play for them. It is the use of hydro carbons as fuel which needs to be stopped. The way this is introduced, must be thought out very very carefully. Then there is the question of who actually has developed the most advanced and effective version of the technology. If I understand correctly, Stan Meyer was the originator, holding various patents. It is not clear to me if Stan Meyer's death was ever properly investigated. Was there foul play? This is a consideration, because big business, as we all know, will stop at nothing to protect it's interests. Murder is...par for the course! What is Steve Meyer's position in all this, apart rom being Stan's brother. Is he active in developing the technology? The retired UK research engineer, Dave Lawton seems to have been instrumental in collating information concerning the technology and then replicating it. Then there is the company, Hydrogen Technologies, Kenny Klein and Peter Dominici, who's website is offering elements of the technology for sale today. Who is leading the charge? How can they be contacted? I agree that the only way to move forward is to wait until the Meyers patents expire in June this year and then it is all in the public domain. (Big business can not kill us all!) It will then become a free for all in terms of developing and manufacturing the systems for all of the applications. I would like to help. I can source funding for development and project finance. I can help develop and finance manufacturing plant, but all of this must be coordinated with a team of technicians and engineers ready to produce systems for the various applications. Who do I talk to? Sincerely. mrblack235

29. March 2007, 08:41:47

mebetcha
Posts: 1

I'd like to participate in private. I'm PhD educated in engineering.

1. April 2007, 06:43:37

h20power
Posts: 8

How does one get in contact with Dave Lawton? I am trying to get a cell up and running, but have some questions. My design solution is a bit more aggressive, for I want it to be able to run a car. What about the VIC circut is it not needed? I should have everything done this month if all goes well, and I don't run out of funds. I would really like a chance to talk too Mr. Lawton, for I made some changes to his design but haven't tested anything yet.

2. April 2007, 10:28:23

Lazaris
Posts: 6

Since nobody could help me objectively yet, i have been working on the hard way ... trial and error. (scientific method)

Well, i could see that there is an error in the schematics, or, at least, in the way the PCB program linked the components. So, do not use-it. I will post a correction and explanations ASAP. thanks.

3. April 2007, 08:12:45

h20power
Posts: 8

What problems did you find? Is it in the original meyerRep.pdf? or the one you made? Since I am just about to put this thing together, I don't want it not to work because it's wrong. Plus can anyone tell me how to cantact Mr. Lawton? thx.

4. April 2007, 01:51:23

Lazaris
Posts: 6

Originally posted by h20power:

What problems did you find? Is it in the original meyerRep.pdf? or the one you made? Since I am just about to put this thing together, I don't want it not to work because it's wrong ...

First of all, as i said before : "my knowledge about electronics is lesser than basic" ... so it could be obvious to you (or everybody time.

) all the

I dont know exactly if its is a problem in the original meyerRep.pdf or if it is a matter of how the program i have used "interpreted" the schematics. Ill explain better. In Lawtons original we can see in schematics the following detail

Although the pins are correctly named as Gate, Drain and Source, when transferring the same schematics to PCB wizard, it will not place BUZ350 pin links correctly, exchanging Gate and Drain pins. When i have assembled the above pcb and it did not work, i noticed that Lawton linked the drain pin (the middle one) to the output for inner cylinders :

So, the correct schematics for the BUZ350 would be

The right entire schematics for PCB wizard can be found in

PDF FILE

Please note that i could not test it on oscilloscope yet. If some of you accomplish this, please tell me !!! thank you.

4. April 2007, 06:21:35

h20power
Posts: 8

thanks so much for this, your a life saver.

5. April 2007, 09:39:06

watkykjy
Posts: 5

Hi Guys, This is my first post on this forum, and I wish to thank you for the nice work you have done in putting together the meyer replication circuit. Before I begin, let me introduce myself with some background information: I am a 26 year old senior systems engineer, and I work for one of the biggest IT companies in the world. I design, implement and secure corporate networks and their supporting infrastructure for a living, and since hearing about the technology called waterfuel, I have been reading, building and playing with it non stop. I live in good old South Africa, and we are lucky enough not to have our work suppressed at the moment, so experimentation, etc can happen freely. Together with a friend, we have built and tested quite a few cells to date, some of which I will post the videos in this thread. Our first cell, called the D18 cell by Patrick Kelly (designed by someone called the wizard of Oz, and Australian), was tested on a 2 liter motor, and subsequently on a 150cc 5hp lawnmower motor. We got enough gas from that cell, under straight DC conditions to get the 150cc motor to idle, but it was running VERY lean, and we could not get it to rev or anything, and this sent me delving in deeper to find out if there are any other forms or better wyas of splitting up water into it's elements. I now know that there are 2 ways of splitting water: One works by pushing through as many amps you can at 1.47 volts per cell that you use, often involving electricity conducting chemicals such as KOH or NaOH, etc, but that this is quite inefficient, and with your best gas production using this method, our cell was running at around 1800W, which is quite a bit to demand from an ordinary car battery, and also does not give you the required 24 000 liters of gas a minute to successfully run a 2.0 liter internal combustion motor. Then there is the Meyers way, which I am sure most of you understand completely, that works by charging the water as a capacitor until it reaches full charge, at which point the volts get converted to amps, and you have this massive release of hydrogen and oxygen. This process is far more efficient, and it has been proven by Meyers and others that by using this method, you can achieve up to 40 000 liters of hydrogen per minute, using as little as 70W. Now, that's what I am after!

So, before I go further, here are some of my videos, to give you a general idea of what I am busy with. They were made to show another forum what I was busy with, but this forum has subsequently disappeared, and all the members seemed to have stagnated, which is why I am sharing them with you now.. Here is our very first video where we got out donor motor (A 2.0 liter Isuzu petrol motor) running, after we had to give it a bit of TLC. This was very exciting stuff, as it took us about 4 hours of testing and playing with it until we had all the vacuum lines sealed off, etc, and when it finally started, the moment was just very big
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00014.flv

This is the motor that we will be using to eventually test the entire concept of running on hydrogen.

Then we tested the production of the cell we built, by filling the carbie with petrol, starting the motor, and then pulling off the fuel line, and timing how long it takes to die. It took 2:41 to use up all the juice in the carbie, and then the motor died. The video is posted here:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00014.flv

After this, we repeated the test, but we turned on the cell, so that hydrogen was introduced while the carbie was running out of petrol. This time the machine idled for almost 8 minutes, but I was busy tuning the air inlet of the cell, so I didn't get a chance to take video of it. The bottom line of this test was that the D18 cell was capable of producing enough gas to act as good fuel booster, but that's not what I am after. I want to be able to get of fossil fuel completely, so the research carried on... And here is just a small video showing the gas production of our cell after running it for a couple of hours. This is still straight DC, and was before I found out that Stanley has done the unthinkable to produce large amounts of gas with very little current.
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00034.flv

And finally, here is the best gas production I have had to date, where I was able to idle the 150cc engine from the gas produced by our cell. I had to run the motor VERY lean, and could not get it to rev,but it did run... And this was where I started delving into other technologies, and came across Stan's stuff! Afterwards I did discover that because the motor didn't run for 22 years, the petrol tap wasn't completely closed, and that there was about 1 drop of petrol dripping through every 20 seconds or so. But still, that's not enough to let the motor idle, so the gas must have done about 99.5% of the work!
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00035.flv

And so I thought that building a bigger cell will give me the desired results, and I came up with this baby:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00041.flv

So, after seeing that the gas production wasn't all that greater, I decided to convert my cell into a Joe cell, and cut up the other ones I have built so far, so that I ended up have a positive outer, negative inner, and about 4 neutral plates in between. The gas production is shown as well:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00046.flv

Then, we decided to do the Meyeyr replication, and this is where I think we will be able to start helping each other a lot! First, I there is the video of the cell just being built and just showing what the gas production is like:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00048.flv

And then finally, after constructing the proper jar for it, we did another test just to make sure that everything is working properly, and this is where we came to:
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/?action=view&current=M2U00049.flv

So, after the lengthy explanation of where I came from, etc, I am now at the point where I have constructed the D14 circuit, and have done preliminary tests with it, all without success so far. By the way, I don't know if you guys saw this, but Dave Lawton has released an updated version of his circuit, which just includes 2 ferite cores which would act as the chockes mentioned in Stanley's original documentation:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/ImprovedD14Circuit.jpg

The updated circuit could also be seen in an overhead shot of his cell:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/DavesD14fromabove.jpg

Anyway, I understand the need for the chokes, etc, but what I don't get is how to work out the capacitance of the cell I am working with (especially when working with multiple cells like I am at the moment), and then adjusting the circuit so that resonance is kept, even when the water temperature goes down? I am privately funding all my research, and have set aside a substantial amount of money every month to test and get it working, and my ultimate goal is to eventually run my home and my car on water, as I live on a remote farm in South Africa, and I have to travel over 200KM to work and back every day. Also, we pay through our ears for electricity, and the uptime of the service is only about 40%, because of the remoteness of the farm I live on.. So, if you have any comments, suggestions, circuits, etc that you think I can try or even a better explanation as to what I am trying, please feel free to let me know. I would be more than glad to construct and test anything that we come up with collectively, so that we can have a working version of this technology by the time the patent expires! Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to working with and hearing from you again! Cherio Watkykjy

6. April 2007, 03:06:08

Lazaris
Posts: 6

ITS ALIVE, ITS ALIVE !!!! Man, today ive got my first progress with Meyers pulsed electrolysis. Im completely amazed ! I didn't have time to take pictures or videos, but i could confirm that the Lawtons circuit (and my pcb project) really works. I will tell you my findings ... It could help someone with the same difficulties i've had. I am using 20 cm tall stainless steel tubes, 1 inch for the outer cylinder and 0.75 inch for the inner cylinder. I was playing with one single tube arrangement inside an old plastic tupperware spaghetti container ... using an old PC power source, connected to the pulse pcb alone, it didnn a great job, producing very less hydrogen than the wires connected directly on the cylinders terminals. Obviously, when the dc power source is connected directly a lot of heat is produced, with glowing red an hot terminals. Note that i improvised small terminals just touching/clampling the cylinders with pieces of orthodontic wire (stainless steel wires, available in dental shops). So i decided to make the inductors, with a hundred turns each.... Here where i live, a small city (250,000 inhabitants) in Brazil, itnot easy to find some components unless if you are prone expend $$$ searching and ordering expensive pieces from distant state capitals. We have here in my city at least 15 electronics stores and none of them had a ferrite rod to sell ... Doing some research i could find out that the core of CRT flyback monitors are made of Ferrite. It was pretty easy to find a couple of burned flybacks with a local electronics repairman ..., and free of charge i must say. Actually, he was glad when i happily took away his electronic waste ... The ferrite flyback core is not exactly a "rod", since it is basically a square made of two parts in "U" format each. But they did the job !!! And a interesting thing happened ... When i was winding the ferrite core, one of them fell off on the floor and broke. After swearing a lot, i decided to simply put the parts together with a Teflon tape as insulation before wind the wires. This time i used an old and small cellular battery recharger, 12v dc output and 0.5 amps. When i turned the power on, i could hear a small beep, (almost inaudible) coming from the coil with a broken ferrite core. I do not know if it is normal, but i noticed that adjusting the potentiometers the sound also varied in frequency and pitch, forming beep, beep beeep to a countinous beeeeeeeeeeeeeeep . This way I could intuitively adjust the frequency and the magic happened... the tube started to produce a good amount of gas just with about 3 volts and less than half amp. Much more than the dc power source connected directly and with no heat whatsoever. Conclusion : It would be a good idea to place a small emitter, sound or light, in the output to check or adjust the frequency. We could use also something (cheap) that can gives us some type of measurement. Most of us do not have an (expensive) oscilloscope available, or knowledge enough to operate one... myself included. I do not know what electronic component or arrangement could do this job. Please, if you know how to build it, share here.

Originally posted by watkykjy:

Hi Guys, So, if you have any comments, suggestions, circuits, etc that you think I can try or even a better explanation as to what I am trying, please feel free to let me know. I would be more than glad to construct and test anything that we come up with collectively, so that we can have a working version of this technology by the time the patent expires! Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to working with and hearing from you again!

Welcome here, man. Thats the spirit.

I think i am very far away from make something run with hydrogen/oxygen, but today i could see that there really is a pulsed frequency that can split water molecules efficiently. Keep trying. I hope my English is clear enough for you.

6. April 2007, 13:05:10

passion1
Posts: 3

Lazaris That is excellent news! I cannot download your PDF with the right entire schematics for PCB wizard? It says the file is damaged an cannot be repaired. Thanks! Passion1

6. April 2007, 18:34:21

watkykjy
Posts: 5

Hi Lazaris Thank you for the warm welcome! I am extremely happy to hear about your success with the Dave Lawton circuit! I have tried it myself, and so far without any success. I have bought some chokes yesterday, and started playing with them, but I do not yet know the required inductance. I will see if I can get some ferrite rods tomorrow and then try just winding them myself to see what happens. Unfortunately, I am VERY inquisitive, so, if you would not mind me asking you some questions on your cell: 1) How many tubes were you using (ie, just one cell or many) 2) You said that you were using a small 12v 0.5 amp power supply to supply the pulsing circuit with power. What did you use on the output of the pulsing circuit, or did you just feed the pulsed 12V directly to the cell? 3) When you say that you produced a lot more gas with the 0.5 amp supply than connected normally, do you mean that you produce a lot more gas with the 0.5 amp supply by pulsing than you do with the same 0.5 amp supply doing brute force electrolysis? 4) I have corresponded with another guy that has also successfully replicated the lawton circuit, but what he did say was that it was extremely difficult to keep the cell in tune, because the water actually cools down, and then the frequency of the circuit changes, which required a manual adjustment again to keep it tuned. Did you also experience the same thing, or was it more a case of tuning it and then letting it run? 5)Also, how long did you let it run, and did you experience that it stopped producing gas at some point? 6) The guy I mentioned earlier also said that it's pretty much a case of it works or doesn't work. He said that you will have to keep tuning, with very little gas, until you find the sweet spot, at which gas will start pouring off the cell. Did you have the same experience? 7) What does your cell look like? I have a huge container, large enough to hold 6 tubes generously spaced out (almost exact replica of the original Stan meyer videos), although I have much more water to eventually accommodate many more cells. I seem to think that the amount of surrounding water can play a part in the capacitance of the cell, but I stand to be corrected on that one, as I haven't got the results I needed yet. 8) Do you have any figures of the amount of gas that you were able to produce so far? I have heard that with more or less 150W (an by using Stan's methods), you should be able to have as much as 40 000 liters of gas per minute, should there be no losses, etc.., so with the 6W that you were using (12V * 0.5Amps), you should essentially be able to produce 1600 liters per minute (of course, this is in an ideal world, with prefect cell setup, etc etc). I would assume that if everything works properly, then a figure of around 500 liters per minute would probably be closer to the truth in the real world.. How much did you get? 9) Do you have some video of your exciting news?

10) How did you tune the cell to resonance? I have tried putting a resistor with an LED on the output side of the circuit, so that I can see the pulses being generated, but I didn't have much success with it, as I have no idea what the pulses actually look like, and how they are changed when I change anything on the pots. Only with an o-scope would I be able to fully configure the step charge effect. I am happy to say that I had a long chat with passion1 this afternoon, and he has offered to help us with an oscilloscope to further our testing, while we help him get up to speed with the technology. That was a very kind offer indeed, and I am sure that in the time to come, we will be posting some good info and results here as well. 11) Did you use the 3 way switches to get it tuned, and then turned everything to the "normal" positions once tuned, or did you leave one (or both) 3 way switches at the setting it was at? 12) And finally, do you have an updated circuit of what your setup looks like right now? Something that can be replicated and verified would be perfect if at all possible (I assume it's the original D13 document with the added ferrite rods?). I am also looking for the values of the ferrite rods that you wound. You don't by any chance have an inductance meter to measure them so that I can try and maybe just buy them off the shelf? Also, what gauge wire did you use? 13) Oh,sorry, I forgot, one more question! Did you put one ferrite rod on each side of the circuit (ie, on each side of the water capacitor you were charging), or did you use 2 ferrite rods in serie connected to only one side (or one tube so to speak)?

There we go. Please excuse all the questions, but I believe that by asking questions you educate yourself. Thank you very much for sharing with us! I am looking forward to some video, pics, drawings, etc, and the answers to all the many questions I have posted! I will upload my test data the moment something interesting happens!

Have a good one, see laters! Cherio Johan

6. April 2007, 22:51:44

h20power
Posts: 8

Lazaris did you use your change to the circut, or went with Lawton's mosfet hook that you said was wrong? watkykjy Hi and hi to you too Lazaris. I am making a WFC with 31, 1 inch diameter tubes and I put it together like this with each tube; 1 inch, 3/4 inch, and 1/2 tubes. The center is postive and the inner and outter are both negetive. I am not to well funded so I hope to have it done by the mid too end of this month. The case is done just waiting on the stainless tubing and for Harbor frieght to get a press for me to buy as all of the 1 inch tubes will be press fitted. The reason I went with three tubes is for improved effiency for now the postive will be producing on both sides and too getting two sides of hydrogen production. This is how I saw a way to improve on Meyer's design, but note it is untested as of yet, but I will let everyone know how it turns out. I have the circut just about done, I am waitting on you Lazaris to tell me how to hook up the mosfet, thanks in advance. watkykjy nice to see someone from Africa, for you guys need this technology really bad, and so does China. Keep up the good work overthere.

7. April 2007, 02:42:11

Lazaris
Posts: 6

Originally posted by h20power:

Lazaris did you use your change to the circut, or went with Lawton's mosfet hook that you said was wrong?

I've changed it, correcting the mosfet pin links to the right position. see the pdf attached in this post. In my home made PCB i've just connected small wires to the mosfet changing the gate and drain pin links.

If you need, i can send you the PCB express file. (you will need pcb express software to open it, obviously)
Originally posted by h20power:

I have the circut just about done, I am waitting on you Lazaris to tell me how to hook up the mosfet, thanks in advance.

Good Luck ! and watkykjy I will do my best to answer all your questions, but it will take some time. I'll have to make some photos and etc. My time is really scarce. Please wait a little.
3HHO Circuit board schematics.pdf

7. April 2007, 09:06:19 (edited)

passion1
Posts: 3

Lazaris Thank you for your new pdf! Here is 3 links to another successful Meyer replication using the Dave Lawton circuit:
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=253

and
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=382

and
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=79&start=120

Passion1

7. April 2007, 13:25:30

watkykjy
Posts: 5

Hi Lazaris and H2earth, Thank you very much! I am very excited about the technology, and tinkering with it again as we speak! I am trying to get hold of the guys from Ku-Shan Tecnologies, and will let you know what they say... In the mean time, I will make myself a nice printed board like yours lazaris, so that we can compare apples to apples when we start sorting out the discrepancies... I also like the way that you have explained your cell H2earth, do you perhaps have a pic of it?

And thank you very much for answering my questions Lazaris, I can't wait to see the answers Have a good one, I will upload some new data the moment it becomes available! Cherio Johan

8. April 2007, 06:38:39

h20power
Posts: 8

HI everyone, thx Lazaris everything is all hooked up now, just waiting for my tubes to come in and still on the look out for a press. I made Lawtons new design with an adjustable negetive choke, that should help me find the sweet spot. Take care everyone and best of luck to us all.

10. April 2007, 02:11:14

Lazaris
Posts: 6

Hi, watkykjy Before answer your questions, i need to say again that I think i am very far away from make something run with hydrogen/oxygen. My current setup is very modest. It is just a proto prototype They are just my first hydrogen bubbles, but i could see that my PCB really generates a adjustable pulse. > 1) How many tubes were you using (ie, just one cell or many) Just one cell, made of two tubes See this picture,
Foto001.jpg

>2) You said that you were using a small 12v 0.5 amp power > supply to supply the pulsing circuit with power. What did you > use on the output of the pulsing circuit, or did you > just feed the pulsed 12V directly to the cell? The power supply is the #1 in this picture.
Foto002.jpg

Using directly i could not get a good result, with very little electrolysis. After adding 2 coils i could notice a nice improvement in gas production. The coils are marked as #2 in the picture. 100 turns of AWG 24 wire on a ferrite core extracted from an old crt flyback.

> > > > >

3) When you say that you produced a lot more gas with the 0.5 amp supply than connected normally, do you mean that you produce a lot more gas with the 0.5 amp supply by pulsing than you do with the same 0.5 amp supply doing brute force electrolysis?

I didn't say a LOT more, but much more than with brute force, same power supply, using plain tap water. Unfortunately, i cannot measure it yet.

> 4) ... cell in tune, because the water actually cools down, >and then the frequency of the circuit changes, which required a > manual adjustment again to keep it tuned. Did you also experience the same thing, > or was it more a case of tuning it and then letting it run? I just tune it e let it run.

> 5)Also, how long did you let it run, and did you > experience that it stopped producing gas at some point? I left it running for one hour or a little more. No. The rate of gas production was the same all the time. >6) He said that you will have to keep tuning, with very little gas, > until you find the sweet spot, at which gas will start pouring off > the cell. Did you have the same experience? Yes. > 7) What does your cell look like? You mean my tupperware macaroni container ?? see the first picture. > > > > 8) Do you have any figures of the amount of gas that you were able to produce so far? ... so with the 6W that you were using (12V * 0.5Amps), you should essentially be able to produce 1600 liters per minute (of course, this is in an ideal world, with prefect cell setup, etc etc). ... How much did you get?

Man, i do not have the slightest idea. My container have the top wide open. I will make a better one ASAP.

> 9) Do you have some video of your exciting news? No. I wasn't able to make any video so far.

> 10) How did you tune the cell to resonance? It was entirely accidental. The broken ferrite core, when under the magnetic field generated on the coil, started to strike the broken pieces one to another, producing an almost inaudible beep sound, and that was my guide. Actually, it stopped to happen today. I think the effect was similar to how your doorbell works.
http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/magnetic_suction.html

An this could be a simple and good idea to listen to the output frequency. I think i will give it a try ... > 11) Did you use the 3 way switches to get it tuned, > and then turned everything to the "normal" positions once tuned > or did you leave one (or both) 3 way switches at the setting it was at? Yes, i used the 3 way switches, and once tunned they should remain where they are. If you change any position the tune is different. (i hope i have answered your question). See #3 on second picture. >12) And finally, do you have an updated circuit of what > your setup looks like right now ? Something that can be replicated > and verified would be perfect if at all possible (I assume it's the original > D13 document with the added ferrite rods?). See the #4 in the second picture. > I am also looking for the values of the ferrite rods that you wound. > You don't by any chance have an inductance meter to measure them .... What, inductance meter ... there is such thing ??? > Also, what gauge wire did you use? AWG 24 13) Oh,sorry, I forgot, one more question! Did you put one ferrite rod on each side of the circuit ... Yes. See #2 in the second picture

10. April 2007, 13:35:21

passion1
Posts: 3

Lazaris Thank you for the photos and answers above! It helps a lot. Could you e-mail me the PCB express file you used? (I have send you a PM with my e-mail address) Thanks again! Passion1

12. April 2007, 04:36:47

watkykjy
Posts: 5

Hi Lazaris, Thank you very much for the reply, and taking time to take the pictures, etc, I really appreciate it! I have built quite a few chokes to date, but they were all air coils as I can't get ferite rods here... I have stripped a TV though, and managed to get hold of some ferrite now, but I still have to go buy some wire and wind the new coils and then see... Thank you so much, and I look forward to seeing your first video and gas measurements..

PS, to measure the inductance of your chokes, you use an LC beter. L = inductance in henry (milli-henry, nano-henry, and micro-henry normally), and C = Capacitance in farrat...

Thanks again, speak to you soon! Cherio Johan

13. April 2007, 07:47:30

h20power
Posts: 8

3GOOD_Pic.gif Hi everyone, I really like your video's watkykjy, your very funny;). Well, I fianlly got me a press today:cheers: , and the stainless tubing is on the road on it's way here. I don't have any video equipment of my own:cry: , but I will see if I can barrow some.

My cell looks very close to this rushed rendering. The only things missing are the water fill tube, gas out tube, the wires, and the water level float. I didn't feel like drafting them in:rolleyes: . I can't wait to see more video's watkykjy, and some from Lazaris too:happy: Good luck everyone.

14. April 2007, 12:42:03

watkykjy
Posts: 5

LOL! Thanks h20power! I try to be as professional as possible, but always find myself saying or doing stupid things! LOL! I am doing a lot of work trying to replicate a working circuit, but it seems I just don't have what it takes (yet) LOL! So, with a bit of luck I will have some success soon! And of course, the video will follow! Have a good one, keep up the good work, see you later! Cherio Johan

14. April 2007, 13:23:35

wphuang
Posts: 1

Thanks for your help on D14 project. I am hardly learning and working on it. Your posts gave me a lot of help to understand the Mayer's. Thank you h2earth, you give the nice platform for us to learn Mayer's and your great information collection which makes me stop the plate project to learn the information for 2 weeks as info bombing blocking my brain due to poor english for a old chinese man.Thanks for your posts!

16. April 2007, 05:37:12 (edited)

h20power
Posts: 8

30cpu04.pdf nte2376.pdf I know what you mean, my D14 wont turn on, and/or has no output, and it's the new one. I can't figure out why it wont turn on, so I will take it too college in hopes the professor will be able to figure it out. But I did hook up one diode wrong at first:doh: , but I corrected it already, and the mosfet has no output. I wonder if I blew it up , but I wont know until I get it tested. I built a cell for a new friend this weekend, it's small but it really puts out. If anyone gets a working electronics plz pass the knowlege on or send it too

me mosfet.

These are the some of the items I got for the D14 project. The diode check out okay, now just keeping my fingers crossed for the

And this study is very informorming:

College study Arizona.pdf

17. April 2007, 16:34:26 (edited)

JimboTG
Posts: 1

Hey guys, I was looking on the forum to see if I could find the D14 update and thanks to watkykjy I did found what I was looking for. Because I don't have a readily available supply of ferrite core for the coils and I noticed that someone else had asked about inductance I wondered if the inductance could be calculated. Anyway to cut a long story short, I found this link http://eweb.chemeng.ed.ac.uk/jack/radio/software/newcoil3.html After typing in the numbers the result was 35.002 microhenries. I hope this helps you guys. The new D14 schematic thanks to watkykjy.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t167/watkykjy1/ImprovedD14Circuit.jpg

This is my first post so forgive me for breaking any rules.

24. April 2007, 01:06:28

jotamax
Posts: 1

Hello! this is my first post. I am from Brazil too, and i belive that hydrogen will be the fuel of future, we are only beginning the Hydrogen Age. It's a very interesting fuel, mainly in developing countries, like Brazil. There is a lot of good guys here researching and having very good results, but we still can't generate sufficient hydrogen to power a engine... i have seen Dave Lawton's videos on youtube, and i have a question... in the video we see a electric motor driving the alternator and in the schematics only the coils of the alternator are used..why this? if the alternator is drived by the motor, then the amperage in the cell will be very high, maybe hundreds of amps... so a huge hydrogen production. is this correct? I really didnt understand the use of the electric motor. Stanley Meyer vic circuit uses only a transformer to step up the voltage in the cell, no other energy source is used, electrical or mechanical. If the alternator is used to generate the voltage for the cells, there is no gain, but a lost of energy because the electrical motor consumes much more power than is being generated... maybe i am wrong, so i ask someone else answer this for me: why the electric motor? the circuit really consumes very little current, maybe a few amps with the fet..but and the alternator-motor circuit? what we are looking for is a way to produce maximum hydrogen with minimum power input, and it is not easy, really. Sorry my bad english boys...good lucky to everyone. To Lazari: there is an error in your schematics, the fet is wired wrongly..the correct is the gate to 555 output and the drain to the coil, like Daves schematics ok? if you want to contact me, please email me jotamax@bol.com.br

24. April 2007, 18:24:15

h20power
Posts: 8

HI Everyone, Sorry I have been away for a bit, my stainless came in and I have been very busy putting it together here are some pic's:
Picture 046.jpg Picture 055.jpg 1Picture 045.jpg Picture 044.jpg 1Picture 042.jpg Picture 043.jpg Picture 047.jpg Picture 048.jpg Picture 051.jpg

And here are the tube soaking in a dilute solution of Nitric acid and Hydrogen peroxide Now the almost finished product: Picture 056.jpg Now is that hella tubes or what?
Picture 059.jpg

I still have to get the electronic's working, and the first tryout of the cell showed it needed to be soak in acid a bit longer than 1hour, lol. Got it soaking again for 24 hours this time. I will check on the electronics to see what I need to do too it so it will fire up.

4. May 2007, 14:45:28

timetochange2
Posts: 1

Hi ... I'm also gathering the materials to build the cell... One thing... It seems that no post have been done for quite a while... H2Opower, have you done any more progress ?

5. May 2007, 01:30:15

IHLABSH20
Posts: 2

Hello, My name is Bill and i have recently talked with Dave Wenbert about joining the WFC research, I am very excited to be involved in this research. I am Electrical Engineer and have been working on this research myself for roughly 4 years. When i first read about it i was hooked. I mainly work with the Pulse circuit design end of the project. One ? i have is how well has the progress come along on the Dave Lawton circuit. i see a man by the name of Lazaris has made good progress from his posts and would like to duplicate this circuit. i use a company called Express PCB, If you guys have solid results ill have my boards made up as to catch up with you guys (Its easiar this way. Ok i hope to get to talk with you guys shortly about this amazing research.

5. May 2007, 01:39:15

IHLABSH20
Posts: 2

Hello again, I have a question regarding the use of the BUZ350 (SIPMOS) last i recalled the freq is below 10KHz on most WFC designs MOS are usualy used for MHz operation and very fast switching times. Is this a necesary component or could you sub it out with a more common 3055 NPN power transistor which can handle a 15 amp current properly heat sinked of course or an IGBT which offers High current handling/High Voltage and fairly fast switching. I know that the main concept of the WFC is low current but never hurts to have robust electronics. Ok thankyou again.

15. May 2007, 22:42:09

johnnyboy409
Posts: 1

hello there everyone! I am planning on constructing one of these but have very limited knowledge. I was just wondering if there has been any progress made...especially from h20power? Is there a way I could download the pcb schematic to send to one of the manufacturing agencies for production? Sorry for needing someone to hold my hand but I REALLY want to make one of these work-- I just need some help along the way...

9. June 2007, 01:41:56

kweimensah
Posts: 1

Did the MIB visit you guys? This place is quite all of a sudden.

13. July 2007, 15:02:23

hydrotech
Posts: 2

hi all, this is just an introductory message from me, Im an electronics Technician in the australian navy and previously worked for foxtel, i reside in Western australia and have been following Stanley meyers work for a few years now, an have been picking hints from alot of his recorded presentations so as to accuratly replicate his technologies. This Project seems like its making some serious progress but it has some major differences to the meyer designs which consen me, these differences are what i am now focussing on at the moment: - Stanley Ramped the voltage to huge 20KV aiming for Infinite with a ideal 0A current flow in a short state using his VIC Coil which im in the process of figuring out. He uses these high potentials to litterally pull the atoms appart, this can be due to the atom structure in the stable H2O state the oxygen atom exibits a negative charge because it now shares 10 electrons on its outer orbit with only its original 8 protons in the nucleus thus attracting it to the positive field. and visa versa for the hydrogen atoms. - He's operating frequence for the pulses were approx 20KHz in order to hammer the atoms constantly with these high potential forces. - He controls combustion of the cas by mixing it with no combustible gases in the atmosphere These and many more points i have taken staight from stanleys mouth (from video) .

Although i have not got any prototypes running yet i am now at the point where i have set up my test equipment and am about to commence,

i will post any findings i have, good luck to you all Together i think we can once again crack it and allow free energy to spread the globe...

13. July 2007, 15:07:13

hydrotech
Posts: 2

P.S for those that don't know, when i posted Huge voltage of 20KV, it isnt really that huge an effort to get, you can get that from a 12vdc supply using a coil just like in a car ignition circuit for an example. You can stetch potential fairly easy, its the Current we need to restrict in a shorted state thats the problem...

8. August 2007, 02:25:35

Dimenx
Posts: 1

Hello everybody, I'm glad that there is effort to follow Meyer's work, stop paying stupid gas prices and killing the planet... I'm still a college student of computer science living in the Republic of Panama, interested in the use of water as fuel, my knowledge of electronics are basic, but I'm reading a lot and learning in the process. I'm also trying to figure out the 20kV that actually do the work splitting the water... hydrotech, do you have new information about that? Thanks.

26. September 2007, 16:02:57

hazknowbrain
Posts: 1

Hello Everyone, My name is Heather Brain. Mark and I have been researching Stanley Meyer (along with other great inventors) for almost a year now. We have converted our kitchen to a workshop and have been experimenting with electrolysis for about 6 months. Mark purchased and installed a hydrogen fuel supplement unit for our 1999 Chevy Lumina. The apparatus confirmed our suspicion that the generators we were building were on the right track and could be implemented immediately as fuel supplements. However we were not satisfied with just reducing our carbon footprint - we wish to remove it altogether but for the air we exhale. Just recently I did my best to build the circuit as found on panaceauniversity.org. It didnt work. Bear in mind that I have never constructed a circuit prior to this so my knowledge has improved vastly from the point at which I started, nonetheless, I am still but an infant as I get lost easily in the verbage of electronic circuit talk. At my current level of understanding, I struggle with trouble shooting to determine why the circuit didnt work and yet I am chomping at the bit to try it again. I believe I understand what Lazaris explained of the mosfet - is there really no way to accomplish this on a universal board? as that is all I have to work with at this time... Please and thank you, Peace and blessings....................... heather "hazknow vs. hazno" Brain (lol)

27. September 2007, 08:06:14 (edited)

Tojam
Posts: 1

Hi everybody, I have looked into this for a while and see a few things that are not adding up. 1. You need an isolation transformer to isolate the circuit from the electronics. Without that, you will just fry the electronics if you ever get to the high voltage part. Without it, you get very little resonance with just the chokes. 2. The VIC that I am seeing posted is just flat wrong. First you need to use some inductors and they need to resonate with the secondary of the isolation transformer. You will see the resonate condition if you hook your scope to the secondary and see a bunch of squiggley lines

bounce up and down after the pulse. The right frequency, inductance and power level will all affect this along with water. For a 12 primary and the core mass of my torriod, a .5 henry inductor works for me. 3. On the VIC charge chokes, have another a look at some of the many documents that are out there. Stan made four coils around a ferrite rod in series and tapped those coils and wrapped a bifiler parametric coil (pancake coil) on top of those. Anyone that has built a pancake coil knows that they produce huge spikes of voltage and the four out of phase coils on the ferrite will produce the 4 Puharick spikes... 4. Stan talked about the process in detail in his notes and he spoke of building the proton and weakening the electron. One should work as well as the other. He weakened the electron side by pumping air and water up through his cell to keep the water from re-bonding since most of it does, and to clean off the cell walls of insulating gases. Prior to that, he exposed that air to a laser to change the ion value to enhance that process of attraction. It is worth pointing out, electricity is NOT electrons, electricity is the shock wave that electrons make as they are pushed down a wire. That being said, you can visually measure electrons move through the water by placing a light in series with you cell, and after it is charged for ten seconds, reverse the wires to your cell. You will see the cell go from low resistance to high resistance back to low resistance over a roughly ten second period. I.e., the light will slowly go from off to on and then off again, each stage taking about 5 seconds. A 1.5 volt flashlight bulb on the drop side works well as it plugs into your breadboard. Next - if you look at the poor quality photographs of his production cell, you see a 2 inch space between the water cavity and the outer case. What do you think was in there? There is a process for generating proton energy using a coil and magnet and everything that Meyer showed and talked about points in that direction. I will play with that and let you know how that works out. I need to order some cylinder magnets to give it a real try. To better understand the meyer process, have a look at the Puharich patent since that is obviously where he stole it from. The Chambers patent too. :-) Dr. Puharich put 4 little ticks on a 200MHZ RF frequency to boost the quasi electrons off that bond the H2o. If you look at the Meyer drawings, you see a charge choke with four coils wrapped around a ferrite core while have 4 pancake coils tapped to them. Puharich was a real scientist and a real brainiack. He give a surprising amount of detain in his patent. Step by step and a good read for all. Instead of using a RF wave, stan just used an isolation transformer and a charge choke to put those ticks on the wave. Along those lines, Stan also drew a drawing showing a capacitor tapped to the charge choke. A coil will resonate but also has capacitance. A capacitor has capacitance but will work with a coil or resistor to resonate. So I suppose you may be able to get some result with either one. He called it distributed capacitance. Nobody has replicated the Meyer process from what I can see at any of these sites. Glad to see everyone having fun playing with electricity and water, but until you create a capacitive spark plug wire out of steel, wrapped in capacitor material and then surrounded by a metal shield that is grounded, (Cable TV coax might work but they sell them for 150.00 US) and then hit your bubble water with a blast of plasma, you are not going to even know if you can run an engine. Just trying to feed the gas bubbles into an engine will probably not work unless you have it plugged into your house current and as most of us that got board figured out that just makes hot water and a mess. :-) And lastly, if you reverse engineer some of his circuits, you see a Phase locked loop sending the pulse at just the right time to reflect the already resonant bounce. Since he had to create a lock circuit out of some NOT or AND gates, don't remember, he probably used a NTC4064B PLL chip. That chip can go much faster than a cheesy 555 timer. In spite of all the heresay about low frequencies he used, I find the higher the frequency, the more gas I produce but the smaller the bubble size. You can make a nice mark space board from a clock like a 555 and a 4017 decade counter to another 555 chip. Just use a duel 555. Also that circuit that people are using with the two diodes is without a doubt the cockroach of all 555 timer circuits. Their are way better ways to do that. I like the 400MA output of the 555 since I can drive the base of a 3055 transistor but I love the range and stability of a PLL and if this thing is ever going to work, we are going to need a PLL to time that pulse. The more I look at the meyer circuits, the more I think a lot of what I am hearing about low or single frequency is BS but am not sure. And maybe someone can explain this one, if you look at his schematics, you see that he had a board called the analog board. Hum... Also on the schematics, you see 0V used for logic ground. That tells us that he had a positive and negative power supply. The isolation transformer will produce a negative voltage output. Me thinks the patent is intentionally misleading in a big way. This smells a lot like a the Dr. Puharich patent running on digital..

26. November 2007, 16:55:56

fortheworld
Posts: 1

Hi has anyone answered your question ? fortheworld

Originally posted by Lazaris:

HI, All ! I am Brazilian, and very interested in energy alternatives for personal use. I need some advice with the oscillator circuit shown here in Lawton's schematics

my knowledge about electronics is lesser than basic, and it would not be possible (or easier) to me to use an universal board to arrange the components like that showed in this file ... hopefully there are softwares that can do most of the service to us... so, transferring the Lawton's diagram, i could get the following schematics :

PCB Schematics.jpg that once converted to electronics components properly arranged in a circuit board, i got the following (double faced) PCB project :

PCB 1

The solder side artwork is displayed here :

PCB 2

and the component side artwork :

PCB 3

with the resulting unpopulated PCB (x-ray vision - tracks in both board sides) :

PCB 3

And the board, after the components assembled and soldered, ready to connect the switches, wires, fuse, knobs and etc would seem like this :

PCB 4

Finally, My question is : Will This Work ??? If yes, please, feel free to use this project as you wish. Thank's.

30. November 2007, 02:50:54

jamezz13
Posts: 1

I think I could make a pwm (pulse width modulator) using a micro controller with a computer(usb) interface that might help you tweak your cells and could potentially be used to self regulate the system to adjust for fluctuations. If anybody is interested let me know. jbormls@sbcglobal.net

31. December 2007, 08:05:52

jbv41
Posts: 1

HI ALL, I'd like to introduce myself, I am John and I live in the middle of HELL,(Phoenix, Arizona) I came upon Stan Meyers work by accident while searching EBAY, I was immediatly mezmerized, and left with numerous questions. I Love the idea of a HYDROGEN powered vehicle, but I'd like to know if there is any freezing winter data available in reference to how well an electrolizer would hold up, and what kind of chemistry would need to be utilized keeping the cell from freezing while still getting a good amount of production from the unit. I am no know it all, just a man with a passion that can devote a lot of time to a project, I ultimatly envision myself living happily in my off grid home devoting maybe 100 watts solar @ 12v to Hydrogen production and storing it in a large tank to be drawn off for a vehicle / generator/ home heater/ cooking stove or whatever. As far as Stainless is concerned, what is the going rate for the 1" and 3/4" tubing most commly used, and price delivered just to give me an idea for my budget. I have been looking for the BUZ350 MOSFET,when looking at touted equivelent units, I see all kinds of difference in the specs between units, ( could this be why some people are having issues?) How many tubes can the Pulse unit power at once?( volume being my main intrest) thank You for you're attention to my post. John jbv41@yahoo.com

13. May 2008, 10:50:46

chaolo
Posts: 1

Hello there... Well I am Chaolo and I am also one of the freaks who is very much into this. I am about to construct this HHO Generator and its sub systems. I have been greatly researching into this topic and have now finally decided to go all out... Firstly my knowledge may not be as one can presume it to be but what i know is that on older engines on pure carbies there will be no probelmos. The ony challenge is the EFI engines. Inorder to run the HHO Generator successfully on the EFI cars you would also need the EFI Enhancer sub system to co-eficiently run and burn the hydrogen fuel in its intakes. If any one is interested in the EFIE schematics i am happy to send to you all. Keep GAIA FREE FROM FOSSIL FUELS! And an End to NWO.

14. May 2008, 06:46:15

taylortd
Posts: 2

Ok, nuther newb... from a hick town called Yucca Valley, ca and more questions unfortunately. I know alot of this techno is still theory non proven from what I've read. I have no problem messing around with the controller at this time my question is what cell (in theory) would be a good starter.... I noticed some reference to the joe cell. If surface area is important woldn't this be ideal??? but instead of having "neutrals" wire it neg pos neg pos? Maybe i'm repeating some stuff that i've missed but also are these cells using a catalyst?? or just de ionized or distilled water? does anyone have thoughts about running a diesel off HHO? oh yah, one more thing were have all the post's gone?? there was so much progress it's hard to believe EVERYONE stopped research...(Lazaris,H2Opower, and everyone else that has contributed and or is willing to help with knowledge).

18. May 2008, 03:03:47

davidva
Posts: 1

Hi everybody! I just finished building PWN exact copy of Dave Lawtons diagram. It works fine. I just dont have oscilloscope yet to see and tune it up. I had hard time getting 47 Kohm potentiometer. Has anybody know where to get it from?

20. May 2008, 03:12:29

taylortd
Posts: 2

I am in the process of building my pcb, I should have it finished by the end of this week, I got 2 50kohm potentiometers from radio shack

they should do the trick for you "davidva" , not sure if it will work yet, I've been having trouble finding the 4 pole 3 way switch's, any ideas any one??

25. May 2008, 03:03:12

batteryphil
Posts: 1

Hi , this is my first time on a forum. Iv'e been working on hho among other alternative fuels. wood gas in combination with hho is my next idea!!!any ideas or suggestions?

4. June 2008, 17:16:07

bagrman
Posts: 1

Hi All Has this design been deemed a success? I have come up with a coil design that shows promise but I do need to test it with a PWM before finalizing it and installing it into my truck. Is anyone making these for other people? My design is here. http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/bagrman/ Let me know it this does not work. Latr Bag

9. June 2008, 03:00:59

emarquis
Posts: 1

Originally posted by Lazaris:

If you need, i can send you the PCB express file. (you will need pcb express software to open it, obviously)

Can you send me a copy of the pcb express file? I'd like to build the circuit as well and PCB Express will speed that up considerably. Thanks, Ed edmarquis529@yahoo.com

12. June 2008, 05:05:05

mrdrey
Posts: 1

So. what happened to Lazaris,H2Opower, and everyone else who was getting such a progress??? Where are you guys?? I just spend 2 hours reading entire forum and seems like Lazaris and H2Opower disappear at the same time.. Guys where are you. We need you...

23. June 2008, 01:07:56

Tom-Bergman
Posts: 1

Originally posted by Lazaris:

Although the pins are correctly named as Gate, Drain and Source, when transferring the same schematics to PCB wizard, it will not place BUZ350 pin links correctly, exchanging Gate and Drain pins. When i have assembled the above pcb and it did

not work, i noticed that Lawton linked the drain pin (the middle one) to the output for inner cylinders Please note that i could not test it on oscilloscope yet. If some of you accomplish this, please tell me !!! thank you.

Hi guys. I don't work for a big company. I have no great education (as this means "doesn't matter what you know, but where you graduated") I'm a home-grown inventor and thats it. Regarding Lazaris idea of connecting pins other way round. This kind of connection doesn't make any sense as the transistor has to be driven by impulses delivered to the gate pin. And that is why it's connected to pin 3 (output) on the last 555. I would suggest that If it wasnt working, youve made a mistake somewhere when assembling. This circuit works exactly the way it should. However it is far from perfection. Main problems with Lawton's design is floating frequency and very low accuracy. If you building it for a first time I would suggest using multi turn pots for better accuracy, but they hard to find in those ranges. One more thing its been claimed by Lawton that tuning duty cycle doesnt affect the frequency, but unfortunately it does. So for full operation of a cell, configuration should be like in Meyers design. Where it picks a resonant frequency an locks on it. I would go even further. At the moment I'm working on some mods for this idea, apparently control over a usb interface and with self tuning. So far in the phase of design. Will be working with 14 tubes 400mm long. BTW If you dont have an oscilloscope you will definitely find it hard to get this setup tuned. You may get it right but this is called luck and if youll lost it after a while gamble starts again. I case you dont have an O-scope you may find useful any AM radio, to hear the output on each of 555s (if you have a small enough radio to get is in vicinity of one timer at the time). I would also imagine that connecting small piezzo speakers would help (somewhere on 555s outputs). With radio method you will be able to hear the signal from the first 555 circuit for sure. However on the second one which is driven by the first one its gonna be a serious challenge. If you would like to get yourself an O-scope go for used one from ebay or something simple but useful (also rather affordable and compact) like UT81B enough for this job. Tom

25. June 2008, 14:52:06

redmarm
Posts: 1

Hello Tom, Are you a dutch guy too? Your name sounds quite dutch... vandaar keep up the good work! Redmar

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