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USMilitaryOfficers:America'sEnemyIs IslamInGeneral
DavidAdamsenpostedabout22hoursago

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ExcerptsofantiIslamicmilitarycourse
AcourseforU.S.militaryofficershasbeenteachingthatAmerica'senemyisIslamingeneral,not justterrorists.ThePentagonsuspendedthecourselastmonthafterastudentcomplained,and JointChiefsChairmanGen.MartinDempseysaidtheJointForcesStaffCollegewasreviewinghow curriculaaredesigned.Herearesomeexcerptsofstatementsfromthecourse: "Theyhateeverythingyoustandforandwillnevercoexistwithyou,unlessyousubmit." "Islamasitcurrentlydefinesitselfisanideologyratherthansolelyareligionwiththenormally associatedprotectionsweaffordsuchbeliefs." "ItisthereforetimefortheUnitedStatestomakeourtrueintentionsclear.Thisbarbaricideology willnolongerbetolerated.Islammustchangeorwewillfacilitateitsselfdestruction." "TheUnitedStateshascometoacceptthatradical'trueIslam'isbothapoliticalandmilitary enemytofreepeoplethroughouttheworld." PossibleoutcomesofanantiIslamcampaign:"SaudiArabiathreatenedwithstarvation,Mecca andMedinadestroyed,Islamreducedtocultstatus." Also,seeDefenseNews.comforasimilararticle.

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"Radical"Islamistherealproblem,not"mainstream"Islam. "Radical"IslamISrealIslam. TerrorismhasnothingtodowithIslamoranyotherreligion. TheWaronTerrorisreallyawarbetweentheWestandIslam. "Radical"Islamand"mainstream"Islamareessentiallythesame. "Mainstream"IslamISrealIslam Idon'tknowanythingaboutIslam,soIcan'tsay. "Mainstream"Islamistherealproblem,not"radical"Islam.

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ChristopherNguyen about22hoursago Obligatory:Thispollisflawed. Youshouldmakethechoicescheckboxessinceyourchoicesarenotnecessarilymutually exclusive(whichisrealvswhichistheproblemaretwoseparatequestions).Also,theterrorismand waronterrorquestionsarekindoftheirownyes/noquestions.
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DavidAdamsen about22hoursago edited Thanks.Goodidea.......................done.

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ChristopherNguyen about22hoursago

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Also,Ibetthecoursewasdesignedwithacertainintentinmind(fighttheterrorists),butthecourse contentdidnotproperlyreflectthat(terrorist=muslim)sotheyyankit.
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PaulAdamsen about22hoursago edited

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Westernseculariststhinkthatreligionisstupidandirrelevant,thatallreligiouspeoplearebasically thesame,andthatdeepdownnobodyreallycares.Theyscornfullyglossoverthedifferences betweenreligions,andtheyhavenoideawhatitislikeforfaithtodefineanddeeplyinfluencea person'slife. TherearemanyMuslimswhodonotfollowtheexampleoftheProphetMuhammad,orwhodoso veryselectively.Wecallthemmoderates.Andthentherearethosewhodofollowhim,whoshare hisgoalsandwholivethewayhedid.Wecallthemradicals.

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ChristopherNguyen about21hoursago
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SamecouldbesaidofChristianity.GodforbidanyonefollowtheBibletotheletter.Yikes!

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Really?WhichpartsofJesus'lifeandworkwereviolentlyimperialistic?

ChristopherNguyen about19hoursago Bibledoesincludetheoldtestament,youknow? ErikWalker about17hoursago

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TheOTispresentedasacautionarytale,notasanexampletobe emulated.TheJewswereconquered,besieged,defeatedetcdozensof times(hundreds,total)overtheirthousandyearhistoryasanation.Their mistakesarerecordedforourbenefitsothatwecanlearnfromthemAND NOTREPEATTHEM. Howyougofromthatto"theBiblepreachesviolence"isimpossibleto understand. MichelleCzarnecki about17hoursago

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@Erik:Exactly.ThatjustbroughtupanotherpointthattheLawwasoneof God'swaystosettheJewsapartfromtherestoftheworld,pertainingto thepromiseGodmadetoAbraham/Avraham/IbraihminGenesis12. PaulAdamsen about1hourago edited

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WecantalkabouttheOldTestamentsomeothertime.Wecantalkabout theQur'ansomeothertimetoo.IcomparedJesustoMuhammad,andright nowwe'retalkingaboutJesus'example,whichiswhatweusetointerpret therestoftheBiblebecauseHeisGodincarnate. SoIaskagain:whichpartsofJesus'lifeandworkwereviolently imperialistic? MichelleCzarnecki about19hoursago

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Chris,Idon'tthinktherewouldhavebeenaneedforGodtomakecertainlaws backthenifwedidn'tneedthembackthenandnow.TheSpiritoftheLawislove. Matthew22:3440

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ChristopherNguyen about16hoursago

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YetyousaidbelowthatyouagreedwithErik,thattheOTisjustahistory andnothowChristiansshouldlive.Theycan'tbothbetrue. MichelleCzarnecki about12hoursago

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ImeantthattheyarebothtrueandthatthereasontheOThappenedwas sothatwecouldseeourneedforthecomingMessiah,whoisJesus. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago Thatdoesn'texplainwhyweneedtheLawnow. ErikWalker about4hoursago

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TheLawbringspeopletoaknowledgeofsin.Secondly,itrevealsGod's Perfectwilltous,sothatwecanknowwhat'sgoodandwhat'sbadfroman objectivesourcesinceeveryone'sconscienceisimperfectandwhat someonerecognizestobesin,someoneelsemightbefailingtoseeas such. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago edited

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Erik,youdonotneedtospeakforMichelle,unlessyouareattemptingto follow1Timothy2:12. Nottomentionyou'vequotedmanytimesbeforethatChristiansarenot boundundertheLaw. ErikWalker about4hoursago

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Whatdoyouthinkthatmeans,Chris?AndyoureisegesisofScriptureis horrible.

ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago Ooooh.It'sErik'snewWordoftheWeek!! ErikWalker about3hoursago It'sonlynewtoyou. ChristopherNguyen about3hoursago

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Youmustnotreadverymuch.It'samazingwhatyoucanlearnfrombooks. ) MichelleCzarnecki about3hoursago @Erik:Highfive. @Chris:Dude,getintotheWord.Youmightbesurprisedbywhatyou'll find.Also,ErikwasnotspeakingformebutmerelysupportingwhatIsaid, whichIappreciate.BTW,asheandIarebothChristians,weareboth awareofbeing"surroundedbyagreatcloudofwitnesses"(cf.Hebrews 12:12).Chill. ChristopherNguyen about3hoursago
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^^Michelle,Iunderstandyourbiastosupporthim,butevenhehassaid himselfthatChristiansarenotboundundertheLaw.Sohehasn't explainedwhytheLawisneedednow.I'mstillwaitingtohearasolid argument. MichelleCzarnecki about19hoursago

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Exactly.Why,sadly,IbelievethatwerepeopletostudytheKoranforwhatitreallyis,asI have,theywouldseefrighteningcontradictionsthattheycanonlyreconcilebyconcluding thatIslamis,essentially,focusedononegoal:jihadinsomeform,whetheritisphysicalor spiritual("radical"vs."moderate"Islam).

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ChristopherNguyen about19hoursago

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Ithinkthey'llseeasmanycontradictionsintheKoranasChristiansseeinthe Bible.SimilarlyIthinkChristiansseeasmanycontradictionsintheKoranas rationalpeopleseeintheBible.

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MichelleCzarnecki about18hoursago

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Theproblemis,theydon'thavecontext.Theyreadwhattheyreadand that'sit..... ChristopherNguyen about18hoursago

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Andyou'resayingyouhavecontextontheKoran?Thereisafundamental problemwithyourargument.ThesameanswersyougivetothequestionsI giveyoucanbethrownbackatyoureplacingBiblewithKoran. ErikWalker about17hoursago

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No,theycan't......they'renotevenclosetosimilar...thatjustshowsthat youhaven'treadeitherone. MichelleCzarnecki about17hoursago edited

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Okay.Challengeme,Chris.Iamwellawareofwhatyouaretryingtodo. ThomasRiley about17hoursago Erik,you'vereadtheKoran?8thCommandment ErikWalker about17hoursago

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Largechunksofit,yes.Haveyoutried?Thevastmajorityofitisgarbled nonsense.There'sareasonthereligionincludesinterpretivebooks, becausewithoutthemtheQur'anoftenmakesalmostnosense.

MichelleCzarnecki about17hoursago @Erik:Thankyou.

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@Chris:Historically,he'sright.Inprinciple,theymayseemthesame,too, buttheyarenothingalikeattheircores. ChristopherNguyen about16hoursago

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@Michelle:HaveyoureadtheKoranyourself,orjustChristianauthored websitesontheKoran? ChristopherNguyen about16hoursago >>Thevastmajorityofitisgarblednonsense. ThisstatementaloneprovesyouknownothingabouttheKoran.:) MichelleCzarnecki about16hoursago

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IhavereadpartsoftheKoranonbothsecularandChristiansites,both proandantiIslam.IhavealsospokentomanyIslamicfriendswho confusemeallthemorewhentheyexplaintheQu'rantome,Chris. ChristopherNguyen about16hoursago edited

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IthinkyouneedtodomorereadingontheKoran.Whenputintocontext againsttheTorahandtheBibleitmakesalotmoresensefroman objectiveperspective. ErikWalker about5hoursago

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"ThisstatementaloneprovesyouknownothingabouttheKoran.:)" Thatverystatementshowsyou'reinsodeepoveryourheadthatyou're practicallywalkingontheoceanfloor. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago edited

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^^Agreed.TheoceanflooratOceanCityatlowtide.How'stheMariana Trenchbytheway? ErikWalker about4hoursago

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Letmeknowwhenyourlevelofinsultsrisesabovethe3rdgrade"Iknow youarebutwhatamI?"level.Thanks. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago Youmustenjoythedarknessdownthere. GregorioVazquez about19hoursago Ihaveanidea:let'sthrowmoremoneyattheproblemandhopeitgoesaway.

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RachelRobinson about18hoursago

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Thisisjustthemilitarywayofteaching.Theyaren'ttryingtoenlightenanyoneormakeanyonea criticalthinker,people.Theyhaveanagenda,andtheir"education"isaanoversimplificationofthe issuesothatitbecomesblackandwhite.Soldiersdoasthey'retold,andfightforthecauseoftheir superiors.Soofcoursethis"class"ishighlyflawed!Youthinkthereisn'theapsandheapsmoreof thisstuffouttherethatyoudon'tknowabout?Thereisafundamentaldifferencebetweeneducation and"training". Source:IservedactivedutyintheUSArmyMilitaryIntelligenceCorps,Linguist.

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MichelleCzarnecki about18hoursago Imightconsiderthat.C'estpossibleetmercipourlide!

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AakifHaque about14hoursago >IservedactivedutyintheUSArmyMilitaryIntelligenceCorps,Linguist. Really?Ihadyoupenneddownasa1718y/ofreshman

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MichelleCzarnecki about18hoursago

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Whoever'sbeenpawingme,whatisyourtakeontheissue?Iamsureyouhaveanequallyvalid opinion.
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ChristopherNguyen about18hoursago Icanthinkof3peopleandonly3people.

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MichelleCzarnecki about18hoursago edited

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Ifheorshewouldanswer,we'dknowwhosaidpersonis.Let'sjusthopethe discussioncontinueswell,asitisnow.
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DavidAdamsen about18hoursago edited

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Thatwouldbeme.Iagree.WeshouldreadtheKoranourselvessothatwecanunderstand thosewhotryanddefendtheKoranbymisrepresentingit.Nosanepersoncanreadthe KoranandbelieveitisreallythewordofGod.Butthat'swhyMohammedinventedtaqiyya, sothatMuslimscouldlieabouttheirreligiontoconvertnonbelievers.

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MichelleCzarnecki about18hoursago

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Hahaha!Ifiguredthatyou,Paul,orErikwouldhavepawedmycomments.We thinkalike,thankGod,andforgoodreason,Ibelieve.
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DavidAdamsen about18hoursago

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Well,youmakeagoodargument.PeopleneedtojudgeIslambyboththe fruitsofitsfollowersandtheteachingsoftheKoran.Otherwise,weareleft tobelievetheliesspreadaboutitbybothMuslimsandthenaivelystupid media. MichelleCzarnecki about17hoursago Exactly,andIdothatcarefully. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago s/Islam/Christianity/g s/Koran/Bible/g s/Muslim/Christian/g Wow.Thepointworksbothways. MichelleCzarnecki about18hoursago edited
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Ialsowouldn'tbesurprisedifweareviewedasbigots.Letme,then,beclearthatI loveMuslimsandhateIslam.Ialsorespecttherightsofotherstohatemyfaith,as Iknowmanywill.

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ThomasRiley about17hoursago

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Christianscanlieabouttheirreligionandrepenttosavesoulstoo.Losingyoureye isnotlikelosingyoursoul.Samewitharm,leg,etc. Itlogicallyfits.

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ErikWalker about17hoursago

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No,Christianscannotlie.Lyingisasin.BoththeOTandtheNTcondemn lying.

MichelleCzarnecki about17hoursago

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Islamdoesthat,Thomas,nottomentionorthodoxMuslimsoftenabuse women(generally),nonbelievers,etcetera,to"keeptheminline"..... ChristopherNguyen about16hoursago edited

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YetyouhavenoproblemdoingthatErik.Iguessthatmeansyou'renota Christian. ErikWalker about4hoursago

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No,itmeansthatyouconstantlyliewhenyouaccusemeoflying.God helpyou,man. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago ^^Proveitoryou'realiar. ErikWalker about4hoursago Growup,child. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago
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Thankyouforconcedingyourstance.Welcometothefamilyfellownon Christian.*hugs* ErikWalker about17hoursago

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Ontheonehand,IslamisjustoneofmanyfalsereligionsthatturnpeopleawayfromGod. Ontheotherhand,it'sthebiggestthreattofreedomandcivilizationworldwidetoday. Onstillanotherhand,it'salmostundeniablethatIslamisthe"Beast,"i.e.thereligiousvehicleof theAntichrist,orMahdi,astheyknowhim.

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ErikWalker about17hoursago edited

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MichelleCzarnecki about16hoursago

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Hmmmm...didanyoneelsehearthat?"Thelawisthegreatestofalldeceivers".Onecould takethatasantiSemeticandantiChristian,yes?
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ChristopherNguyen about16hoursago edited

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No,you'rejustdeaf.Hesaid"Allahisthegreatestofalldeceivers". ThespeakerisWalidShoebatwhousedtobepartoftheMuslimBrotherhood,a terroristorganization.HestartedgoingonacrusadeagainstIslamafterconverting toChristianity.Hewentfromonetypeofradicalismtoanother.Atruerolemodel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat http://www.shoebat.com/bio.php

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ErikWalker about4hoursago

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SaulofTarsuswentfromradicalOrthodoxJudaismto'radical'Biblical Christianity.Andheisatruerolemodel.SoyourslightagainstWalidis justsilly,fromaninformedperspective. Anyway,thewholepointofChristianityisthatweallhaveflaws.Christis ourrolemodeltoemulate. GregorioVazquez about1hourago DoesthatmeanIhavetogiveupgoingtothegym? MichelleCzarnecki about12hoursago
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Thankyouforthecorrection,Chris.He'scertainlyrightthatAllahisadeceiver becauseAllahisinfactafalsegod,thereforebeingadevil.
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ChristopherNguyen about5hoursago IthinkAllahisasrealastheChristiangod. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago Theconfirmationbias...ithurtssomuch. ErikWalker about4hoursago

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Well,Satanisareallivingbeing...so....IguessI'dhavetoagreewithyou, Chris. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago Provethattheybothexist.Thenyoucantalk. ErikWalker about4hoursago

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Alreadyhave.YoucanwallowinyourignoranceforallIcare.Ihaveno pityforyou. ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago ^^Coppingoutagainasusual.:) GregorioVazquez about1hourago Don'tworry,Igotthisone,Erik. Genesis3:4and3:14 1Chronicles21:1 Job1:6andZechariah3:12and1Peter5:8 Matthew4:13,Luke4:2 Matthew12:24,Mark3:22,Luke11:15 Matthew12:43
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Matthew13:19and1John2:13 DavidAdamsen 34minutesago Luke10:19 ...minusb****,please. John8:44 PaulSpause about5hoursago edited John12:31and14:30and16:11
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Leavingoutthe"yourgodisnotourGod"conflictthathappenswheneverreligionvsreligion(orsect John13:27 vssect)discussionsensue,thepoliticalaspirationsofIslamareathreattotheUnitedStates.The establishmentofaworldwidecaliphateunderIslamiclawisindirectoppositiontothesovereigntyof 2Corinthians4:4 theUnitedStates. 2Corinthians6:15 ThisisnotuniversallyacceptedamongallMuslims,especiallytheMuslimsintheUnitedStatesI havemet.Icanseehowacourseforhighrankingofficerswouldspellthisoutanddrawthe Ephesians2:2

conclusionthatthegoalofforeignIslamicgovernmentsistheeventualdownfalloftheUSinthe nameofIslam. Conversely,IexpectforeignIslamicgovernmentstoviewtheUSashostiletotheirsovereignty whengoalsofUSforeignpolicyaretheequalandfairtreatmentofallpeople(asjudgedunderUS showentirecomment standards)andembodiedinmanyinternationaldocuments.ExportingUSstylefreedomisathreat reply 2replies tomany(notall)Islamicgovernments. ChristopherNguyen about5hoursago
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Ithinkyou'reovergeneralizing.Icanseeasarealisticproblemhavinganykindof religionasastatereligionbeingtheproblem.Whenyouhaveastatereligion,youappoint someonehastheheadofreligion.Oftenthispersonhasmorepowerthanyourheadof state(iftheyaren'toneinthesame).Theresultisthatthesecularheadofstatebecomesa puppetbecauseone'sreligiousbeliefsoutweighotherfactors.Thiswouldholdtrueevenif wemadeChristianityasanexampleduetoitsprevalenceandrelevancethestate religion.

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ErikWalker about4hoursago

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Itwouldalsoholdtrueifweinfusedearthworshipandpresidentworshipintoournational fabric.Iwouldcallthisanatheisticstatereligion,whichitis.Itnonethelessforcespeopleto giveobeisancetotheStateonalevelthatwouldparallel,orsurpass,thelevelofreligiosity ofmuslimsduringtheHajj.Exceptitwouldbe24/7. Theideathatyoucan'thaveanatheisttheocracyisnonsense.Asimpleknowledgeof eventsfromlastcenturyshoulddispelthatidea.

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ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago

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>>Itwouldalsoholdtrueifweinfusedearthworshipandpresidentworshipintoour nationalfabric.Iwouldcallthisanatheisticstatereligion,whichitis. WhileI'ddebatethename,Ican'tthinkofanythingbettertocallit,sowe'llwork withthatfornow.Butasforthespiritofyourreply,indeedthatwouldbetrue.Do youhaveanexampleofthisinthemodernworldthough? FortunatelyweliveinacountrywherethepositionofPresidentislimitedtono morethan10yearsandischosenbythepeople.Furthermore,Iknowofnopeople thatacceptlawsasblindlyasreligion.Perhapstheyfeelhelplesstochangethem andfollowthemoutofintimidation,butIknowofnopeoplethatfollowthemasif theywerereligiousdoctrine.Doyouhaveexamplesofsuchpeople?
showentirecomment >>Theideathatyoucan'thaveanatheisttheocracyisnonsense.Asimple reply knowledgeofeventsfromlastcenturyshoulddispelthatidea.

Ithinkyou'rejustonawaragainstthenonreligious.IcitemyUMBCasyour bury paw 0 ErikWalker about4hoursago intoleranceofotherreligionsasevidence.Atheismisnotareligion,butIcansee "Furthermore,Iknowofnopeoplethatacceptlawsasblindlyasreligion." yourviewpoint. Ido.They'rethepeoplewhousethe"ageofconsent"lawsasarebuttaltotheidea thatpedophiliamightbelegalizedinthefuture. Peoplewhodon'trealizethatlawscanchangeareperhapsmoredangerousthan thepeoplewhothinklawsareuselessandseektogetridofthem.
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ChristopherNguyen about4hoursago

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>>Ido.They'rethepeoplewhousethe"ageofconsent"lawsasarebuttal totheideathatpedophiliamightbelegalizedinthefuture.Peoplewho don'trealizethatlawscanchangeareperhapsmoredangerousthanthe peoplewhothinklawsareuselessandseektogetridofthem. That'sastrongassumptionaboutpeopleyou'remaking.Areyoucertain thatpeoplebelievelawscannotchangeoristhisanotherbaselessclaim?I thinkyou'remisinterpretinglawworshipforgeneralignoranceofthe legislativeprocess,whichistrueandcertainlynotthesame. ErikWalker about3hoursago You'retoodumbtounderstand.
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ChristopherNguyen about3hoursago #Victory ChristopherNguyen about3hoursago

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ErikWalker about4hoursago "ExportingUSstylefreedomisathreattomany(notall)Islamicgovernments." ...whichoneisitnotathreatto?Justsincerelywondering.

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MichelleCzarnecki about3hoursago edited

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Exactly.IchallengeanyonetonameanIslamicgovernmentthatdoesNOToppress women,nonbelievers(ofIslam),anddoesnothateAmerica,forexample.Icanthinkof (maybe)onlyone,whichisTurkey'sgovernement.Eventhatisastretch.

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