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Social Entrepreneurship and

Innovation

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Workshop Purpose
Celebrate and build on success
Outline systematic approach
Earned income

Establish business objectives/criteria


Product development
Product screening
Risk management and readiness

Shared services (MSO)


Venture philanthropy
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Social Entrepreneurship
We are a world of wall builders, partitioners, and
dividers of space. We long for the security of
safe places. We construct these barriers in a
vain attempt to control the elements, to keep the
rain from dampening the fire, the wind from
covering ours lives with the inevitable dust.
Many of the walls we build are essential to our
survival. Many, however, are not. By fortifying
the unnecessary walls, we in business (for profit
and not-for-profit)..huddle in the systems we
have closed. The consequences: thinking
decays and novelty vanishes.

Open Boundaries- Howard Sherman and Ron Schultz1998

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Social Entrepreneurship
Application of entrepreneurial attitudes to
social sector:

Change is the norm


Embrace change
Seek change
Client focused
Shift resources from low to high productivity
Calculated risks
Create something new
Strive for Transparency
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Organisational Readiness
Risk Management

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Issues

Fear of loss of control


Resources financial/human
Risk averse culture
Conflicting ends
Lack of structure/governance for success

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Organizational Readiness

Strategy
Governance
Human resources
Finances
Operations, Products and Services
Market perspective

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Strategic Management Overview


C. Input

Current
State

D. Throughput
Strategic
Implementation

Annual Strategic
Review and Update

A. Output
Future
State

Change Management

5. Current State
Assessment and
Business Planning

Parallel
Process with
Key
Stakeholders

4. Objective
Development

2. Strategic
Planning: Vision,
Mission, Values

B. Feedback
3.Strategic
Priority
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Mapping the Future


Ideal Future Vision
Formulate dreams that are worth believing
in & fighting for by meeting 3 challenges.
Challenge #1. Vision Statement
Challenge #2. Mission Statement
Challenge #3. Core Values

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Ideal Future Vision


Answer all or any of the following
questions:
What will put you out of business?
What is your ultimate vision of success?
What is your ideal community vision?

Answers may be - end of


homelessness, hunger etc.
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Mission
What is your organizations part in achieving
the vision?
What do we produce?
Who do we serve?
How do we do it?

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Values
What do board members & employees
stand for & embrace?
What are the rules?
May include integrity, transparency,
entrepreneurship, innovation etc

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Strategic Priority Development


Balanced Score Card Format
Consider organizational success from more
than one perspective, for example:
Internal Business Processes
Client
Financial
Human Resources
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Strategic
Priorities

Financial
Answer the question:
How do you wish to
appear to your
owners/funders?

Client

Answer the question:


How do you wish appear
to your client/customer?

Vision
Mission
Values

Internal Business
Processes
Answer the question:
In order to achieve your
mission, what business
processes must you excel
at?

Human Resources
Answer the question:
How do you sustain your
ability to learn and grow?
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Earned Income

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Results in Other Ventures


90% of successful ventures relate to the nonprofits mission
Planning matters
46% of non-profits with ventures have more than
one
69% are profitable
Profitability is reached in 2.5 years on average
Only 10% use a spin-off cutting edge
The largest benefit is the creation of an
entrepreneurial culture (58%)
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From a survey of non-profits operating business
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Systematic Approach

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Systematic Approach
Determine organisational
Need for innovation
Purpose

Organisational readiness and commitment


Product development

Search for opportunities


Create new services and screening
Research, design, testing
Launch, evaluation and revision

Portfolio approach
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Strengthens Organisations
Achieves Mission
Generates revenue
Unrestricted
Greater degree of control
Enables growth beyond funding base

Supports mission and strategic plan


Create valuable new services/SROI
Enhances profile
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Balancing Mission and Financial


Return
Strong Business
Case

Weak Business
Case

SECOND PRIOIRTY
BUSINESS

HIGHEST PRIORITY
VALUE ADDED

DONT PURSUE

PHILANTHROPY

Limited

Advances Mission

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Product Development
Process
Planning for Success
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Definition of a Good Idea

Meets a significant customer need a market


Return on investment
Risk managed
Competitive advantage
Cost
Performance

Leverages a strength/asset
Fits with mission/values
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Enterprises
Mission related products or services
Same product, new market: geographic or customer
Programme related products (manuals)/services
(EAP)
Staff resources (MSO/training)
Public sector contracting

New product/leveraging organisational strengths


Client resources (social firm)
Soft assets intellectual property (licensing/franchising)
Hard assets (rental)

Unrelated business (Ben & Jerrys)


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Product Creation
Pre-work
Scan
Community trends and needs
Potential market opportunities market research
Attend conferences/read magazines/annual
reports/web/etc
Assess what competitors are doing

Scan
Internal capacities (swot)

Leading edge networking


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Brainstorming
Use information/knowledge/fantasy/dreams/intuition
Build on experiences of and skills/knowledge in the
organisation
Lateral thinking, scramble patterns
e.g. pose a problem and only outrageous solutions are
suggested

Look at data for opportunities, look at it from other


peoples perspectives
Be excited, accept thoughts/play with them - have fun
Bring experts from different organisations together
Discuss with others, family, friends, associates
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Level 1 Screening Criteria


Does the idea further your vision, mission, values and strategic priorities?
1=no, 2=partial fit, 3=full fit

Is there a potential customer benefit?


1=none, 2=some need/some customers, 3=urgent need/many customers

Are there profit potential (by third year)?


1= less than 20K, 2=more than 20 k but less than 50k, 3= more than 50k

What investment is required?


1 = major investment , 2 = minor investment, 3 = achieve with current resources

Is there a champion?
1=no, 2= neutral 3=yes

Is there risk?
1 = high risk (no known mitigation), 2 = medium risk (new strategies needed), 3 = low risk
(strategies in place)

Scoring: each idea will have a score of 6-18

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Screening Phase 2
Create a concept statement
Describe product
Target audience and reason for buying it
When, where, how?

Product attractiveness
Financial results
Marketing issues and competitors
Risk factors

Does it fit with the organisation?


Test with sample of external experts
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Screening Phase 3
Feasibility Analysis and Priority Setting
Does the product have financial potential?
How likely is the product to implemented
successfully (easy or hard)?
Is an investment required?
Is an investment justifiable in terms of
financial or mission improvement?
Does the product advance mission
and strategic priorities?
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The Success Quadrant


High
financial
and social
impact

Low Potential
Consider Later

Top Priority
Continue Screening

Low
financial
and social
impact

Not Strategic
Do Not Consider Further

Long Term
Consider Second

Low
(Idea will be relatively difficult to
implement)

High
(Idea will be relatively
easy
to implement)

Fit with Organisation


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First Set of Measures


Product A

Rating
Financial Measure

Significant customer problem

Appropriate solution
Revenue potential
Profit potential

Investment required
Investment financial payback

Weighting

1
1
2

Not a significant
need
Do not address
need as well as
competitors
Under 50K
Likely loss

1
1

Major investment
>100K
None

1
Need that is
addressed by others
reasonably well
Addresses need as
well as competitors
50-100K
0-50K
Large amount of
funding required 25-100K
>3 years

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Urgent unmet need


consistent with mission

Urgent unmet need


Addresses need in a
unique and more
effective way
100-250K
50-100K

Addresses need and no


one else does at all
>250K
>100K

Modest funding
required - <25K
1-3 years

Could achieve with


existing resources
First year

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Second Set of Measures

Product A

Rating
Success Measure

Weighting

Fit with mission/ values

Contrary to
mission

Similar products in the market

Many similar
product exist

Stage of development

Spin-off effects

Conceptual
Negative impact
on organisation
reputation

Risk

High risk

Existing skills

Competitive advantage

Partnership opportunity

Inhibiters

1
Not a fit
Few similar product
exist, and cutomers
are satisfied
Defined idea
No impact beyond
initiative

Low / Medium risk


Skills are readily
Significant skill
available through
gap
partners
No significant
Competitive
difference from
disadvantage
competitors
Believe there are
partners, but not sure
No likely partners
who
Significant cultural
Some inhibiters
or other change which may be difficult
required
to address

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Partial fit
Yes
Few similar product
exist, but customers
are not saitsfied
No similar products exist
Developed marketing Business plan thought
plan
out
Strong positive impact
Positive impact on
on organisation and
organisation
community
Manageable risk
(strategies to address)
No risk
Can address skills with
modest training
Have the skills already
Good value
proposition but can be
Sustainable unique
matched
solution with niche
Possible partnerships Likely partners exist and
but unclear of interest
are interested
Some inhibiters, but
likely to be able
address
No significant inhibiters

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Strength of Idea

High
financial
and social
impact

Product A

Low
financial
and social
impact

Low
(Idea will be relatively difficult to
implement)

High
(Idea will be relatively easy to
implement)

Fit with Organisation


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Screening Phase 4
Business Planning

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Benefits of Writing a Business Plan


Refines the idea
Writing it down makes it real
Creates a framework for making the idea
happen
Method of external communication
Internal due-diligence tool

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Guidelines for Successful Plans


Aim for a maximum of no more than
twenty pages in the main body of the plan
Be as brief and crisp as possible when
explaining your idea and strategy
Quantitative
Specific
Cover what investors are looking for
Address risk and exit
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Business Plan Format

Cover Page and Executive Summary


Description of the business
Industry and Market Analysis
Marketing, Communications and Sales Plan
Management and Operations / Launch Plan
Risk Assessment and Contingency Plan
Exit Strategy
Financial Plan for Your Venture
Supporting Documents
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After That.

Development
Testing
Launch
Entrepreneur

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Organisational
Structure

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Why Separate?

Different cultures/ends
Shield non-profit from business risk
Raise external capital
Enhance focus on non-core markets
without compromising non-profits purpose
or funding

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Structure
Business

Non-profit
Organisation

Business
Intellectual
Property

Enterprises
Holdings

Business
Business

Operational
Support
Purchase
Of
Service

Investors
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Transition

Clean break, separate entities


Share resources, purchasing services
Conflict of interest
Sharing management
Compensation
Share purchasing
Transition plan and monitoring
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Relationship With Non-profit


Customer/vendor/owner (major
shareholder)
Separate companies consistent vision
Some price concessions to keep charity
as a customer and meet mission
Mutually beneficial for Enterprises to
succeed
Negotiated and governed by contract
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Significant Key To Success


Foster a dynamic, success generating,
entrepreneurial ethos
Provide support to staff who are:

Creative
Innovative
Entrepreneurial
Productive
Successful
Aspiring
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Partnerships, Alliances
Mergers, Acquisitions

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Working together
Creating efficiencies
Enhancing quality

Allowing for a focus on services


Supporting social enterprise

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Context
Pressure to create efficiencies
Enormous duplication

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One Approach - MSO


A management service organisation
(MSO) is an integration that includes
the creation of a new organisation in
order to integrate administrative and
fundraising functions, and thus to
increase the administrative efficiency
and effectiveness of participating
organisations. It may include colocation.
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Benefits

Enhances quality, strengthens organisation


Generates revenue: cost savings/profit
Frees management time
Keep up
Enhances profile/reinforces advocacy partnering
Reduces risk
Entrepreneurial spirit
Supports mission and strategic plan
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Examples of Savings
and Quality Enhancement
Procurement
Average 26%, Up to 50% on certain items
One organisation 32% savings (equivalent
of a 1 FTE freed up for the organisation)

Finance/HR/IT
Higher quality, more comprehensive service
Potential for savings/minimally breakeven

Fundraising access to focused expertise


at low cost
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MSO Possibilities

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Process
Creative/interactive/inclusive
Full participation of the stakeholders,
leading to a strong sense of ownership
Mentoring
Idea creation and implementation process
Systematic

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Way Forward

Initial meeting/test concept


Research/interviews/preliminary assessment
Workshop/obtain commitment to the process
Business feasibility and priority setting
Stakeholder meeting/commitment
Business planning and communication
Partner meeting/buy-in
Launch/build scale
Add products
Add members/customers
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Process

Refine Business Plan with Trustees


Council support - letter of intent - 1.25M
Identify other markets
Discussions with other potential partners
Fundraising
Commitment from Trustees to MSO
Launch MSO Early 06
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One Final Thought

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The acid test for shared services (Tom Peters)

Are we good enough to sell this service


on the open market?

If not, why are we buying from


ourselves
when nobody else would buy it from
us?
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Venture Philanthropy
High Engagement Giving

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What is Venture Philanthropy?


Capital and human resources invested in
charities by various types of investors in
search of a social return on their
investment. VP involves a high
engagement over many years with fixed
milestones and tangible returns and exit
achieved by developing alternative,
sustainable income.
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Venture Philanthropy
Investing In

Programmes
Services

Infrastructure

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Commercial
Ventures
Social
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Elements

Capital for growth, reliable money


Human resource expertise/strategic coaching
Partnering internally and externally
Performance centred, results orientated
Long term, exit strategy to sustainability
Business case/plan
Business to business presentation
Management, board, cash management, impact
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Venture Philanthropy
Priority

Significant problem
Appropriate solution
SROI
Enthusiasm/being with a winner
Impact/building on success
Innovative and entrepreneurial
Fit with your values/vision
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VP Benefits A US Example
What Funders and Grantees Say
Partnering
Reliable, long term grant money
Improved organisational capacity, better:
Evaluation systems
Marketing business and strategic planning
Fundraising

Improved organisational performance/growth


For every $1 invested, $3 gained in expertise
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UK VP Activities
Just Beginning
Funds

Examples
Charity Technology
Trust
Plan International
Tomorrows People
Help the Hospices

World-in-Need
Impetus
Laidlaw/Ryan

Corporate
Involvement
Shell
Diageo

EU VP Association
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Investor Motivation

Apply knowledge/intellectual stimulation


High engagement
Joy of giving
Image enhancement
Social return on investment
Corporate social responsibility
Help business units achieve their goals
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Case Study: Corporate Venture


Philanthropy
Diageo plc

Small number of very high engagement initiatives


Directly led to the creation of Tomorrows People
Board and management support
Measurement and accountability
SROI evaluation
Communication of value to stakeholders in community

Exit strategy in long term

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Case Study: Strategic


Partnerships
New Profit, Inc.
Modelled after a venture capital fund
Significant support to few investments
CEO coach from Monitor Group
Board of Directors position
Portfolio manager
Access to other resources

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Trade Association Driven Fund


Social Equity Fund
Created by trade association to further its
business objectives
Special purpose fund managed by the trade
association using VP principles
Invests in charities in a competitive fashion
an market place for innovation
Mechanism for member organisations to act
as high engagement donors
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Trends

Increased/new capital and expertise


Impact on/leverage with other funders
VP model will evolve
Impact on charity behaviour

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Increased Capital
New philanthropic giving - people or
corporations who may otherwise not be
philanthropic
Opening up opportunities beyond CSR
departments to access funds/expertise from the
various business units
Increase the level of commitment of existing
donors, reinvigorating and advancing mature
funding relationships
Success stories will lead to expansion in Europe
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Leverage Outside Of Movement


Traditional grant makers will adapt some of the
principles of the movement
Increase in the acceptability of infrastructure
funding
Traditional grant makers will co-invest with
venture philanthropists
Venture philanthropy due diligence/investment
will act as a positive signal to other grant makers
Venture philanthropists will provide services to
support other grant makers
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Evolution Of The Model


Partnering in a true sense - working within
the mission of the organisation as
opposed to driving the mission
Social return on investment evaluation will
continue to be applied, leading to more
efficient practices
Increase in investing in mission-based
social enterprise/trading for a FROI/SROI
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New Capital Structures


Funders will create blended fund portfolios
diverse funders, joint working
Charities will lead the creation of captive
funds in support of their mission

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The Organisational
Strategic Plan

Internal
Marketplace

BUSINESS PLANNING
Extra capacity + expertise

Capital
Innovation
Fund

Funds
Portfolio

ORGANISATIONAL
EXPERTISE

Revolving
Innovation
Fund
INVESTOR
EXPERTISE

Endowment
Innovation
Fund

INVESTOR
investment

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Changes In Charitable
Organisation Behaviour
Charities will proactively encourage
venture philanthropy and create venture
philanthropists creating an internal
market
Increased emphasis on social return on
investment will encourage a more efficient
use of resources
Increased familiarity with business
language and practices
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Screening Criteria
Significant problem/appropriate
solution/SROI
Good strategy, business plan, exit strategy
Good management team
Do the numbers make sense?
Enthusiasm/being with a winner
Building on success
Innovative and entrepreneurial
Fit with your values/vision
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SROI Elements

Issue/problem
Solution (product/service)
Investment required
Desired outcomes
Client
Organisation/enterprise
Stakeholder/investor desired outcomes
Data management/evaluation
Social and financial return on investment
Social enterprise financial performance/value
Cost savings/gains to government
Client

Sources of information

Roberts Enterprise Development Fund

New Economics Foundation

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Strategic Issues

Develop criteria in partnership


Trust, partnering and control
Due diligence and fit
Innovation and risk taking
Organisational readiness
Cultural differences
Exit and sustainability
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Process with a Charity


Product development/feasibility study
Finalise programme/infrastructure/commercial
selection and internal fund structure
Finalise readiness issues and solutions/plans
Prepare business cases and business plans
Research, preparation and training
Launch, implementation and evaluation
Networking and business to business
presentation
Follow-up and negotiation
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Identifying Potential Investors


Current supporters and their networks
Existing member/donor database
Member/donor networks
Staff/volunteer knowledge

Research

Competition
Rich lists
Trusts
Media
Investor groups
Companies

Demographic identification and analysis


Networking/interviews/feasibility testing
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Business Case
(Two Pages)

Quote
Problem/market
Solution/business idea
Right strategy
People to make it work
Exit/sustainability

SROI/FROI
The organisation and its desirability
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Success Factors in Obtaining The


Investment

Is the proposal convincing?


Did the unique value come through?
Is the proposal customer driven?
Was it credible? Was it enthusiastic?
Would you remember the presentation? Was the
presentation style compelling?
Did it catch your attention in the first minute?
Was the ask or proposal clear?
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Key Learnings
Build on current network, donors and
investors
Research the investor
Focus on and engage the investor, think
laterally
It is a sales process
Be patient/persistent, it could take up to 2
years
It is partnering, be organisationally ready
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How would you apply earned


income/MSO/venture philanthropy
to your Organisation?

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Some Great Resources


Fraser Valley Centre for Social Enterprise
www.centreforsocialenterprise.com
Social Enterprise Alliance
www.se-alliance.org
Social Venture Network, www.svn.org
Social Venture Partners, www.svpi.org
Centre for Community Enterprise
www.cedworks.com
Centre for Social Innovation
www.socialinnovation.ca
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More Great Resources


Toronto Enterprise Fund
www.torontoenterprisefund.ca
Aperio Consulting
www.aperio.ca
Andrew Horsnell & Associates
www.AndrewHorsnell.com
Canadian Social Entrepreneurs Network
www.csen.ca
npEnterprise Forum, www.npEnterprise.net
Sustainable Enterprise Resource Centre
www.sustainabilityincubator.com
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More Great Resources


Canadian Conference on Social Enterprise
www.socialenterprise.ca
Business and Sustainable Development
www.bsdglobal.com
Canadian Centre for Social Entrepreneurship
www.bus.ualberta.ca/ccse/
Canadian Business for Social Responsibility
www.cbsr.ca
Sustainable Enterprise Academy
www.sustainableenterpriseacademy.com
Net Impact, www.netimpact.org
www.GreenBiz.com
www.greenleaf-publishing.com
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Yippy! We Are Done!

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Jamila M. Aman
4330 Brandon Gate Drive
Mississauga, Ontario
L4T 3K4
Direct: 416-618-3041
jaman@northw.ca
http://www.northw.ca

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